Thursday, November 10, 2011

Re: [OWSNC-Community] Occupy Wall Street Nevada County General Assembly of 11/6/2011

I look forward to reading your piece.  I believe that you can create horizontal, decentralized systems and still in fact celebrate leadership.  Burning Man is an example.  You would never be able to build that city in the desert without the leadership of the rangers, the medical staff, the coordinators, the people who lay out the grid.  But leadership's job is to be of service and to maximize the potential for individual creativity and personal leadership, not to decide what Art Cars to build and not to be the smartest people in the room and make the decisions, but to create a coordinated system that drives decisions to the highest level (highest meaning most decentralized) possible.  Complexity theorists say leaders of complexity have to let go of outcomes and manage for probabilities.  The job of Burning Man Inc. (a highly centralized and hierarchical company owned by only 5 people) is not to plan the city (outcomes) but simply layout the grid, coalesce decisions about culture and norms (no guns, dogs, or fireworks) and then to do everything they can to support individual creativity (probabilities).  This is neither a starfish or a spider but a creative blend of each.  

Consensus Decision Making is not from the high tech tradition of Wikipedia vs. Encarta, or of The Starfish and The Spider, or Here Comes Everybody, or The Wisdom of Crowds, but in fact was designed in the brutally hierarchical Collective Farms of the Soviet Union (in spite of what Wikipedia tries to say about it).  The Haudenosaunee (better known by the less acceptable term Iroquois) did have a form of consensus, but it was the consensus of the Hoyane (great minds), or what we would call the Chiefs.  This tradition is far from leaderless.  It was however horizontal and decentralized, where the Great Presiding Hoyane, who was so important that they recorded their names down thru 1,000 years of history, has only one vote in the council just like all of the other Hoyane.  The only way any Hoyane could bring about any decision was thru the revered tradition of public oratory (a great way to smoke out ulterior motives) .  One example is warfare.  The western hierarchical model is "the king and privy council decide to go to war and you go or die", the American model (circa 1142 AD) is "I need to convince you to go to war thru the power of my beautifully crafted argument, but I can't force you to go". 

As I said, I am not willing to invest time in a consensus organization (where the guy who just wants to know where the free camping is has the same input as someone who has worked on something for a long time), however I would be very interested in being the part of a discussion about this topic in an effort to try to bring about a change of direction.    I don't know what the best answer is, but I feel very strongly that it is not the Anarchist's contribution of Consensus. 

ps One idea I just had is what if we had idea wikis where a dedicated group could go back and forth crafting an idea or initiative and then when they decide it is ready then it is brought up for consideration at a GA with little or not chance to alter it.  Only vote it up or down, and if down, then send it back with suggestions and anyone who is now interest can participate in the small group discussion.

Michael


On 11/10/2011 2:31 PM, James wrote:
Michael,
I spoke to you the other night about coming to the goals/ed group. I am empathetic regarding your feelings on what is happening and concur that there is an issue. However, withdrawing is not the answer. I believe the folks are well intentioned as you said. However, I also believe that the main issue is a group of people who may be trying to work in a leaderless structure without truly understanding what that means. This happens to be the issue which is closest to my heart and which I am working toward helping people understand (I will be passing out a tract I wrote tonight regarding the importance of this issue). When people truly do not understand and function within the framework of an organic, leaderless, decentralized network they will naturally gravitate back to what they do know (hierarchical, top-down, position-oriented). I believe it is my part to help people understand the leaderless framework, then hopefully, when enough people understand it and strive to function within it, they will be able to spot those who are trying to implement the other and keep these folks from imposing the structure we say we don't want.
My goal is is simple regarding this issue...know what you believe, know why you believe what you believe, then be able to effectively communicate what and why you believe to others.
James


Re: [OWSNC-Community] Occupy Wall Street Nevada County General Assembly of 11/6/2011

Yes, at the 11/16 GA there was a repeat, albeit on a much less aggressively violent way, of the Detroit experience. 

My decision to withdraw from the OWSNC process is because I personally find the consensus process so flawed that I do not wish to invest my scarce time into it.  What I see is the constant diminishing of diversity of opinion in each successive generation, as contrarian thinkers are pressured into silence -- often just for the sake of "getting everyone home at a reasonable hour".  The very structure of consensus decision-making does not have the capacity to handle complexity of thought (in my ever so humble and arrogant opinion).  It is a simple math problem.  5 people, only with great difficulty, struggle pick a movie by consensus -- and usually 2 of them (or sometimes even the majority of 3 or 4) go to a movie they really didn't want to see just to be with the group.  Fine for picking a movie, but a dangerous way to run a nation and I believe a formula for authoritarianism under the banner of representing the will of the people. 

I think consensus might work in a case like your nuclear protest, a single issue where everyone is already in consensus on the strategy (stop this plant from coming online) and where you are simply discussing tactics.  But, I do not think it would ever be able to deal with the big question of whether any nuclear power is acceptable in a world faced with global warming and oil supplies that devastate the environment and/or require violence to secure.  I would like to think that I could be convinced that, even in that case, nuclear power is unacceptable, however without hearing the powerful arguments against oil sands or the blood spilled to prop up brutal dictators, I don't know where I would stand on the issue -- and I don't think a consensus process would ever enlighten me.

I find the Confederalist model, as practiced by the first Americans for almost 1,000 years, and as engineered by Deganawida founder of the League of Peace and Power of the Haudenosaunee  in August 31st, 1142 AD, as the much more dynamic organizational structure.  When I have more time I will elaborate on how the Confederalist decision-making modeI works for possible consideration by the group.  In a nutshell it is about nested councils of Hoyane (great minds) who get their authority by consent (public servant was Deganawida's idea and definitely did not come from Rome or Greece) and they can be removed by consent as well, also checks and balances (another idea invented by Deganawida), and separation of powers (yes, another brilliant idea from Deganawida).  A confederation is an alliance of autonomous entities.  So, the Haudenosaunee League of Peace and Power was a league of nations (yes, the United Nations, formally the League of Nations, is another wonderful idea of Deganawida) where each Nation does not surrender their individual autonomy but instead enters into voluntary alliance.  We tried it with the Articles of Confederation, but because we only took parts of Deganawida's engineering we were not able to get the coordination part to work.  So, at the urging of Hamilton and Madison in the Federalist Papers, we abandoned the dream of a Confederation for the practicality of a Federalist system and have been paying the price even since. 

And, in case you are wondering, the Southern States called themselves a Confederation as a "Fuck You!" to the Federalists however they never functioned as a Confederation, adopted a Federalist system, and quickly moved to an Authoritarian system by vesting supreme authority into Jefferson Davis and ultimately Robert E. Lee.

I personally support the goal of the OWSNC group and think there are a ton of interesting folks with the right focus on the problems and you have my best wishes for your success.  However, I will keep my eye out for the fascism of forced consensus and will share my analysis with you if I see things headed in that direction.   I hope to be proven shortsighted and ill-informed.

Michael

On 11/9/2011 9:17 PM, Gary wrote:
Michael,

I appreciated your words at one of the OWSNC general assemblies I attended a few weeks back. It seemed then that you were thoughtful and had interesting ideas - we all need new thinking in these times. Subsequently, I noticed your emails on the mailing list and again appreciated someone taking the time to suggest potential solutions, particularly on the local level. 

Now, having just read your latest email I feel a sadness about whatever has personally affected you. The Detroit experience obviously felt very unfair to you. You didn't explain, however, the recent experience that triggered your email. Was it something that happened at the 'general assembly' of 11/6/2011? I didn't attend. So, I am in the dark about anything that transpired at that gathering.

In any case, I am saddened by your email and thank you for your critique of potential OWS directions. I personally make no judgement at present about OWS and the forms of 'direct democracy' or consensus that inform its process. I do know that years back, when I protested a nuclear power plant coming on line that I felt was demonstrably unsafe by choosing to be arrested, that the structure of affinity groups and consensus worked well for me and gave me a sense of safety and solidarity. That's my only bias. Otherwise, I am personally open to the good or bad of 'direct democracy' as it seems to be unfolding locally. As you say, there are well-intentioned people involved locally and I suspect that many are inspired by the possibility of something new, something that offers hope for ways out of our currently destructive economy and social contract.

I also feel that communities need a diversity of people who engage in dialogue in ways that challenge each other and lead to mutual transformations of viewpoint at levels of significance higher than any individual view. Your views have a place in this kind of dialogue. So, whatever happened, thanks for sharing. 

Be well,

Gary
Grass Valley


On Nov 9, 2011, at 8:32 AM, Michael Rogers wrote:

I have thought deeply about where the tears I shed last night came from. 

Re: [OWSNC-Community] Occupy Wall Street Nevada County General Assembly of 11/6/2011

I know that you will all grow and do fantastic things and I hope to collaborate with you as a group in the future.  

I came into OWSNC with grave concerns about the consensus process and they were dramatically confirmed at the last meeting.  Or, perhaps I saw what I expected to see because I expected to see it, either way I simply choose not to invest my scarce time in a process that I believe in successive generations will slowly limit diversity of opinion and lead to a "consensus" that will be the consensus of a few, not of the 99%.

I sincerely wish that my predictions turn out to be wrong. I may delude myself to think that I have some predictive foresight, but I do not claim to be omniscient.

Michael

On 11/10/2011 1:14 AM, Jedediah wrote:

Michael

You have the right to withdraw, but then you wouldn't see any of the growth that will happen from the last GA meeting, because things will change.  I don't think many people would say that the situation couldn't have been handled differently, even Sharon voiced dissatisfaction in the results.  I personally feel you should have been heard out, so as a participant of the GA perhaps I should have defended your right to speak, and for that I apologize.  I hope you continue to participate despite the growing pains we're all experiencing in this process.

Jedediah


Wednesday, November 9, 2011

Re: [OWSNC-Community] Occupy Wall Street Nevada County General Assembly of 11/6/2011

Just fair warning, and enough mild reminiscences of Detroit to reevaluate where I invest my time.  

I do not believe that the consensus decision process (as suggested to the Occupy Movement in NY by the exact same Anarchist and Communist Activists that I met in Detroit) is a sustainable organizing model.   5 people cannot pick a movie.  How can you ever hope to do anything more complex?  We couldn't even decide on an endorsement that was not an endorsement but definitely was not allowed to include language that even suggested other options to the real problem of Corporate Personhood, other than those put forward the radical organization Move to Amend (who has publicly stated that their real goal is to destroy the capitalist system and replace it with a socialist one), even existed.  That organizing model, I believe, leads to a coercive pressure to conform, a stiffling of dissent, and a culture of conformity and "group think" that I have no interest in being a part of.  I believe that it lacks the ability to govern complexity and will ultimately lead good people down bad roads.  Obama is not a socialist, anything that is not hyper-privatized capitalism is not necessarily socialism.  However, consensus decision making, as developed in the "worker's" cooperatives of the Soviet Union and China, that brutalized millions of souls who did not march to the party line, is, in fact, exactly socialism.  And I fear for our country if it is allowed to flourish.

If there is a small number of individuals who would like to participate with me in a group dialectic about other organizing models possibly robust enough to manage complexity in a horizontal, not hierarchical way, well then I would be very interested in participating in that discussion.

Michael

On 11/9/2011 11:15 AM, James wrote:
A concern to be sure. I have seen how biased or poor facilitation can destroy a meeting, and am very sorry you were on the receiving end of that sort of attack. I also share your concerns about the direction of the Occupy movement -- particularly with regards to the socialist, communist, and even anarchist tendencies -- but that is exactly why I participate. This group cannot claim to represent anything other than about 5-10% unless it gets participation from the true 99%. It came up a few weeks ago that reasons for all stand asides and blocks should be noted, because a minority voice in a small GA could be a majority voice on a national scale.

I understand your concern, and really do feel for you. If you do not have the spirit to give it another try, I would not blame you. But your previous experience does not seem to match what I have experienced with Occupy NC. Was there an incident with us that led you to believe we were the same as the assembly in Detroit? Or simply that we are trying to tame a beast that cannot be tamed, and you are giving us fair warning?

~James

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Michael Rogers <m@sumpeople.org> wrote:
I know I have not been involved with your group for long, however because I share many of your goals and admire the dedication and efforts you are putting forward, I am writing to explain my decision to withdraw.  I want to share, with those of you who may be interested, my grave concerns about the direction of the Occupy movement.  Let me preface this with the statement that I believe in the good intent of all of you and I ask that my observations and criticisms not be viewed as personal attacks against any of the good people, just trying to figure things out, and trying to be of service to something greater than ourselves.

There has been a lot of talk about the difference between violence and non-violence in words, actions, and I might add processes.  I deeply believe that there is a great subtle violence lurking within how OWSNC is organizing itself.  Ironically, the last time I felt this group violence directed at me was at a meeting of the Move to Amend group at the Social Forum in Detroit.   I had spent $2,000 of my scarce resources, had taken a week of my equally scarce time, spent hundreds of dollars duplicating materials and endless hours preparing to go to the forum so that I could moderate a workshop on the issue of Corporate Personhood -- where I asked the question "What if a Corporation could be a People, not a Person?  The small and enthusiastic group that attended had some interesting insights and ideas and I went to the Assembly on the topic, hosted by the Move to Amend organization, to represent the consensus of this group.   At the Assembly, organized by the same Consensus rules you are now implementing, I was repeatedly denied the right to participate by the "facilitators" from Move to Amend.  I was not asking for a disproportional level of participation, but simply asked to participate at a level equal to the other participants and to share the work of our little group.   They were operating by what Sharon last night gave me the language for, which is a "Progressive Stack", i.e "some people are more equal than others".  I might add that progressive stacking was not a concept consensed upon and was arbitraritly imposed by the facilitators and most of us were unaware of the existence of those hidden rules.

Repeatedly, I was denied the chance to report.  At the Forum, the phrase "Check yourself" was repeatedly used when someone thought that a speaker needed to reflect upon their own actions and biases.  Faced with the real possibility that all the time, effort, and money I had invested, in wanting to be of service to change, would evaporate, naively I had the audacity to suggest that the Facilitator might want to check her own racial and sexual biases in how she ran the stack and controlled the direction of the conversation.    Well, let's just say that "the shit hit the fan".    I became the focus of the most intense group violence I have ever felt in my life (it made the harassment of my youth seem benign) -- and it did not come from the majority of the group (who seemed willing to accept my statement and reflect upon its relevance, as they were also unaware of the undemocratic imposition of progressive stacking), but instead by the small group of "facilitators" from Move to Amend.  The head of the organization decided that my simple suggestion for the main facilitator to reflect on whether she had biases that might be impeding a constructive group dynamic was such a sacrilege that the leader of the group moved to amend his sitting position to directly beside me and proceeded to stare me down in what can only be described as a look of blood lust and hatred.  I came to fear that he actually intended to physically assault me if I did not leave the room immediately.  After some moments of stubborn, but trying my best to be peaceful, resistance to his violence I finally decided that I could no longer face the intense group pressure that was being directed at me and left the meeting.    Afterwards, several people (none of them white males) came up to me and said that the Move to Amend Founder was out of line, and that they had seen nothing in my comment that had warranted that kind of aggressive response.   I now know that there was in fact a racial and sexual bias that was indeed in play and as of last night I now know its name.

I have thought deeply about where the tears I shed last night came from.  My first instinct was that my feelings of insecurity and self doubt had bubbled up and that I was transported to my childhood and the group schoolyard taints that caused me such pain as boy.  Or, that the pain of my recent divorce, the struggle to minimize its effects on my children, the impending lose of my business broke thru.  But what I now believe is that I needed a release of the emotional intensity that was required to stand up to the power of group think and the pressure from the great energy that is needed to oppose a powerful leader of a group that does not want your ideas to derail the much lauded "consensus" (if you doubt the power of a "facilitator" I would refer you to the work on Jigsaw Classrooms of Elliot Aronson and his identification of the power of a teacher as the omnipotent bestower of all favors and punishments in a classroom)

This deeply flawed dynamic lies at the heart of the consensus process.  True group consensus is a near mathematical impossibility.  This can be best illustrated by the Movie Picking Problem.  One person can easily pick the time, place, and movie to see.  Two people is not twice as hard, but is actually two times two times harder, because they have to agree upon time, place, and movie.  The complexity of three people deciding a movie is then exponentially multiplied again.  So, by the time you get to the small group size of 5 it becomes almost mathematically impossible to pick a movie as a group, and one person usually steps up, makes a decision, and then everyone else has only the decision of whether to go or not.  If something as simple as picking a movie as a group is impossible, how can any more complex decision hope to reach consensus. 

The practical reality is that it can't.  So "facilitators" of consensus processes learn to force consensus by picking dissenting voices to ignore.  Whether thru tools like progressive stacking, or by simply marginalizing people who raise doubts and concerns (usually in the name of "getting everyone home on time").  There is also a preference for simple decisions as opposed to complicated, contentious ones and the latter are "tabled for future discussion" where a small group meets between meetings, comes to an agreement amongst themselves, and then returns to the council and works as a coordinated sub-group to "encourage" consensus around the solution they have decided upon separately. 

Here is where I see the possible evil that can arise from this whole thing and I beg of you to guard against.  Move to Amend has publicly announced that their goal is to "destroy capitalism".    I definitely think that capitalism needs vigorous old fashion competition, however the Move to Amend group has also publicly supported socialism and communism to replace capitalism.  I am not one who sees the communist boogie man under every non-Republican rock, but I see real possibilities for a resurgence of these failed ideologies in the Occupy movement.  The appeal of these Isms was so prevalent in the Detroit Social Forum that former Marxist organizer, 95 year old Grace Boggs took the unprecedented action of warning the packed Assembly hall of young, enthusiastic organizers to be cautious of embracing Communism and Socialism as those systems have severe deficiencies in the preservation of individual liberty and the rights of minorities and she referred to Castro's assault against homosexuals specifically.   In one side forum, an intense, earnest 22 year old moderator was laying out his idea for a new economic system, and a elderly white male asked what would happen under the young man's system if someone didn't want to participate, and the budding Fascist said coldly and sternly that "we" would require participation. 

Many organizers of the Occupy Movement come from this extreme leftist history of organizing, and the consensus process is directly taken from the brutal "worker's" cooperatives of collective farms from the former Soviet Union and the revolutions of Nicaragua, Venezuela, and Cuba.   I believe that "Leaderless" "Consensus" processes are easily taken over by faceless coordinators and bureaucrats and need to, by mathematical necessity, stifle and ostracize dissenters for the "good of the people, the party, or even the 99%".  They end up as powerful "group-think" machines, incapable of dealing with the complexities of the world, that implement successive failed 5 year economic plans and need to exert more and more violence to maintain their authority long after the people stop giving it voluntarily -- but by then it is too late and we have a new tyranny to replace the old one.

I know that none of you have any of what I have said as a conscious goal, however if we have learned anything in the 20th century it should be the Law of Unintended Consequences. I wish you luck on your efforts.  I believe deeply in your goals but have grave concerns about the path you are following.

Monday, November 7, 2011

Occupy Wall Street Nevada County General Assembly of 11/6/2011

I know I have not been involved with your group for long, however because I share many of your goals and admire the dedication and efforts you are putting forward, I am writing to explain my decision to withdraw.  I want to share, with those of you who may be interested, my grave concerns about the direction of the Occupy movement.  Let me preface this with the statement that I believe in the good intent of all of you and I ask that my observations and criticisms not be viewed as personal attacks against any of the good people, just trying to figure things out, and trying to be of service to something greater than ourselves.

There has been a lot of talk about the difference between violence and non-violence in words, actions, and I might add processes.  I deeply believe that there is a great subtle violence lurking within how OWSNC is organizing itself.  Ironically, the last time I felt this group violence directed at me was at a meeting of the Move to Amend group at the Social Forum in Detroit.   I had spent $2,000 of my scarce resources, had taken a week of my equally scarce time, spent hundreds of dollars duplicating materials and endless hours preparing to go to the forum so that I could moderate a workshop on the issue of Corporate Personhood -- where I asked the question "What if a Corporation could be a People, not a Person?  The small and enthusiastic group that attended had some interesting insights and ideas and I went to the Assembly on the topic, hosted by the Move to Amend organization, to represent the consensus of this group.   At the Assembly, organized by the same Consensus rules you are now implementing, I was repeatedly denied the right to participate by the "facilitators" from Move to Amend.  I was not asking for a disproportional level of participation, but simply asked to participate at a level equal to the other participants and to share the work of our little group.   They were operating by what Sharon last night gave me the language for, which is a "Progressive Stack", i.e "some people are more equal than others".  I might add that progressive stacking was not a concept consensed upon and was arbitraritly imposed by the facilitators and most of us were unaware of the existence of those hidden rules.

Repeatedly, I was denied the chance to report.  At the Forum, the phrase "Check yourself" was repeatedly used when someone thought that a speaker needed to reflect upon their own actions and biases.  Faced with the real possibility that all the time, effort, and money I had invested, in wanting to be of service to change, would evaporate, naively I had the audacity to suggest that the Facilitator might want to check her own racial and sexual biases in how she ran the stack and controlled the direction of the conversation.    Well, let's just say that "the shit hit the fan".    I became the focus of the most intense group violence I have ever felt in my life (it made the harassment of my youth seem benign) -- and it did not come from the majority of the group (who seemed willing to accept my statement and reflect upon its relevance, as they were also unaware of the undemocratic imposition of progressive stacking), but instead by the small group of "facilitators" from Move to Amend.  The head of the organization decided that my simple suggestion for the main facilitator to reflect on whether she had biases that might be impeding a constructive group dynamic was such a sacrilege that the leader of the group moved to amend his sitting position to directly beside me and proceeded to stare me down in what can only be described as a look of blood lust and hatred.  I came to fear that he actually intended to physically assault me if I did not leave the room immediately.  After some moments of stubborn, but trying my best to be peaceful, resistance to his violence I finally decided that I could no longer face the intense group pressure that was being directed at me and left the meeting.    Afterwards, several people (none of them white males) came up to me and said that the Move to Amend Founder was out of line, and that they had seen nothing in my comment that had warranted that kind of aggressive response.   I now know that there was in fact a racial and sexual bias that was indeed in play and as of last night I now know its name.

I have thought deeply about where the tears I shed last night came from.  My first instinct was that my feelings of insecurity and self doubt had bubbled up and that I was transported to my childhood and the group schoolyard taints that caused me such pain as boy.  Or, that the pain of my recent divorce, the struggle to minimize its effects on my children, the impending lose of my business broke thru.  But what I now believe is that I needed a release of the emotional intensity that was required to stand up to the power of group think and the pressure from the great energy that is needed to oppose a powerful leader of a group that does not want your ideas to derail the much lauded "consensus" (if you doubt the power of a "facilitator" I would refer you to the work on Jigsaw Classrooms of Elliot Aronson and his identification of the power of a teacher as the omnipotent bestower of all favors and punishments in a classroom)

This deeply flawed dynamic lies at the heart of the consensus process.  True group consensus is a near mathematical impossibility.  This can be best illustrated by the Movie Picking Problem.  One person can easily pick the time, place, and movie to see.  Two people is not twice as hard, but is actually two times two times harder, because they have to agree upon time, place, and movie.  The complexity of three people deciding a movie is then exponentially multiplied again.  So, by the time you get to the small group size of 5 it becomes almost mathematically impossible to pick a movie as a group, and one person usually steps up, makes a decision, and then everyone else has only the decision of whether to go or not.  If something as simple as picking a movie as a group is impossible, how can any more complex decision hope to reach consensus. 

The practical reality is that it can't.  So "facilitators" of consensus processes learn to force consensus by picking dissenting voices to ignore.  Whether thru tools like progressive stacking, or by simply marginalizing people who raise doubts and concerns (usually in the name of "getting everyone home on time").  There is also a preference for simple decisions as opposed to complicated, contentious ones and the latter are "tabled for future discussion" where a small group meets between meetings, comes to an agreement amongst themselves, and then returns to the council and works as a coordinated sub-group to "encourage" consensus around the solution they have decided upon separately. 

Here is where I see the possible evil that can arise from this whole thing and I beg of you to guard against.  Move to Amend has publicly announced that their goal is to "destroy capitalism".    I definitely think that capitalism needs vigorous old fashion competition, however the Move to Amend group has also publicly supported socialism and communism to replace capitalism.  I am not one who sees the communist boogie man under every non-Republican rock, but I see real possibilities for a resurgence of these failed ideologies in the Occupy movement.  The appeal of these Isms was so prevalent in the Detroit Social Forum that former Marxist organizer, 95 year old Grace Boggs took the unprecedented action of warning the packed Assembly hall of young, enthusiastic organizers to be cautious of embracing Communism and Socialism as those systems have severe deficiencies in the preservation of individual liberty and the rights of minorities and she referred to Castro's assault against homosexuals specifically.   In one side forum, an intense, earnest 22 year old moderator was laying out his idea for a new economic system, and a elderly white male asked what would happen under the young man's system if someone didn't want to participate, and the budding Fascist said coldly and sternly that "we" would require participation. 

Many organizers of the Occupy Movement come from this extreme leftist history of organizing, and the consensus process is directly taken from the brutal "worker's" cooperatives of collective farms from the former Soviet Union and the revolutions of Nicaragua, Venezuela, and Cuba.   I believe that "Leaderless" "Consensus" processes are easily taken over by faceless coordinators and bureaucrats and need to, by mathematical necessity, stifle and ostracize dissenters for the "good of the people, the party, or even the 99%".  They end up as powerful "group-think" machines, incapable of dealing with the complexities of the world, that implement successive failed 5 year economic plans and need to exert more and more violence to maintain their authority long after the people stop giving it voluntarily -- but by then it is too late and we have a new tyranny to replace the old one.

I know that none of you have any of what I have said as a conscious goal, however if we have learned anything in the 20th century it should be the Law of Unintended Consequences. I wish you luck on your efforts.  I believe deeply in your goals but have grave concerns about the path you are following.

--  Michael Rogers Box 38 Shinneyboo, CA  95724 530-587-5160 michael@shinneyboocreek.com www.shinneyboocreek.com  “Great things are wanting to be done.”   -- John Adams, 2nd President of the United States 

Thursday, October 20, 2011

The passing of a great mind.

I am saddened to read on the Tree of Peace Society website about the
passing of Mr. Swamp. He had been very generous with me when I performed
a Peace Tree Ceremony in Los Angeles after the Rodney King riots.

I feel the power of the Beloved Creator in the fact that I would feel
the need to reach out to him again exactly a year after his passing on.
However, I must admit that I am at a loss.

I believe that the time of renewal of the League of Peace and Power is
upon us; I have received the message that a great progression of
Haudenosaunee would march down to the Occupy Wall Street site, in full
and proud traditional regalia, to teach America again about the power of
the Great Law and the efficiency and effectiveness of Confederation, as
you did for this country before in 1744 in Lancaster, Pennsylvania.
However, this time, the Women's Council would not be excluded from the
design of this great new confederation. I am told that this
confederation is to be the Ohneka Confederacy, because the leadership of
it will be like water that does not create artificial hierarchies, flows
out down river when reaches its natural level, takes little amounts of
condensation and creates a great rain that nourishes the entire land.

The Beloved Creator says that the time has come to vanquish the Wacicu,
the greedy and the selfish who are killing life and besieging all
peoples, and that the time of the Washeshu, those who long to be at one
with all of creation again and live in a family of the world, has come.
The time for peace, power, and righteousness to return to their place of
honor is now.

Confederalism is the competition that Capitalism desperately needs today
to create a loving, grateful, abundant, and balanced economic system
that supports creation. Many of the wandering ones are finally ready to
hear this message again. First, they must hear the story of the greatest
American who ever lived, and the gift of Confederation that he gave to
the world near 1,000 years ago.

I think the reason I am reaching out now is because it is the
Grandmothers who must be in the lead of this march. I am in possession
of the Confederation Belt of the Ohneka Confederacy that came to me from
Grandmother Agnes, Chairwoman of the Council of 13 Indigenous
Grandmothers. It shows the form of the Ohneka Confederacy as a nested
series of confederations within confederations, fractal in nature,
natural in its design, and capable of forming the structure of a
Confederacy that will become larger than any nation and bring us back to
being able to live again as human beings.

Judy, I humbly ask you to bring this issue before a council of
Grandmothers of the Haudenosaunee so that they may judge if I speak the
truth.

With Hope, Love, and Determination,

Alisgia Awohali


--
Michael Rogers
530-587-5160
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Thursday, January 20, 2011

Return of the 10,000 Chiefs

Dearest Ms. Hernandez-Avila,

Hello, I am writing to see if the UC Davis Native American Studies
Department would have any interest in discussing the co-sponsoring of a
gathering to share and discuss the vision of Mountain Eagle Who Soars
over the Valleys for the Return of the 10,000 Chiefs.

Mountain Eagle is a traditional Datohmu of Wa She Shu (the Land, Air,
Water, Plants, Animals, and Human Beings at Da Ow A Ga). He has a
vision of the return of the great chiefs to lead the first global nation
born at Da Ow A Ga to bring the people back to natural abundance and
balance. And that now is the time for the people to come together to
prepare for their arrival. This movement should be lead by the First
Nations but is inclusive of all people who wish to become indigenous again.

He sees the building of a global nation taking the form of a
multinational corporation based on the ancient leadership principals of
the First Nations with reverence for creation, gratitude to land, water,
and air, individual autonomy, decentralized control, mass coordination
directed by accountable leadership, checks and balances, separation of
powers, and a return of matriarchal wisdom to masculine initiatives with
restoration of the authority of the woman's longhouse (the part left out
of the Constitution). Mountain Eagle himself is working under the
guidance and authority of Grandmother Agnes Baker Pilgrim, Chair of the
International Council of 13 Indigenous Grandmothers.

Mountain Eagle's vision is in direct lineage to that of Wovolka, the
Paiute founder of the Ghost Dance, and his vision of the people coming
together in peace, dancing for five days and four nights, bathing in the
river, and going home to work towards the time of return of the land to
the people. The difference is that Mountain Eagle believes that instead
of the disappearance of the whites and the return of the land to the
First Nations (as the original ghost dance had meant to manifest), that
it is the Wacicu (those who take the best meat for themselves) who will
disappear, in other words the greedy and selfish who control the land
now -- and it is to all people who are willing to become native to the
land that they live on, regardless of their genetic heritage, who are
willing to be peaceful, cooperate, and become Human Beings again to whom
the land will be returned.

This vision is deeply ancient and deeply modern at the same time. The
vision of the first global nation is completely compatible with a whole
series of modern economic, business management, and organizational and
group behavior theories including Game Theory, Coordination Theory,
Complexity Theory, Judgment Aggregation, and the work on Common Pool
Resource Management of the Nobel Prize in Economics winner Elinor Ostrom
and her co-winner Oliver Williamson. Therefore, we believe that his
vision would have broad appeal thru out the University and would be
deeply appreciative if you would consider assisting us in sharing this
with the UC Davis community.

With hope, determination, love, gratitude and reverence,

Michael Rogers

Tuesday, January 11, 2011

1/11/2011 Reply to Frank Way

Nothing succeeds like success.  Thanks for your encouragement. 

The irony is that I no longer have a people.  My paternal grandparents left behind all that was Native American and fully integrated into the mainstream culture.  To the point that their son went to Cal Berkeley and married into an old San Francisco family -- my maternal great great grandfather missed being a 49er by one day because a storm kept his ship from docking until January 1st, 1850 (to our families eternal shame), they built the first house on Kerney Street, survived the '06 Earthquake, and headed up the company that built the decking on the Golden Gate Bridge.

But this New Ism that we are thinking about and talking about is not an Indian jobs program.  We are trying to look at the best of all traditions that have come before to engineer a better social/economic system to benefit all of us willing to work hard and make it happen, for economic systems need engineering just as space propulsion systems do.  We have stressed Capitalism past its original design parameters.  It is as if we are trying to fly to Mars using the Wright Brother's drawings.

We look forward to your input as we move the design process for A New Ism forward.

Michael 

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: 1/10/2011 Reply to Frank Way
From: "Frank Way" <frankpway@comcast.net>
Date: Tue, January 11, 2011 2:13 pm
To: <m@sumpeople.org>
Cc: <datohmu@sumpeople.org>

Michael:
 
                I have thoroughly and painfully understood the atrocities visited on  the Native Americans as has my wife.  I have defended the Native Americans against people who tried to tell me that these atrocities were justified.  I strongly supported the legislation which allowed the Native Americans to have gambling casinos, as I felt it was a way for them to become successful and raise their standard of living.  I can remember when a federal agency concluded that a group of Native Americans in Southern Nevada had the best chance of success by establishing a brothel.  I would rather that your people found success in other endeavors, but as long as gambling is legal and other members of society have casinos, it is an acceptable venue for me.  My great hope is that the tribes will use these casinos to school their members in running and managing a successful business as well as just providing employment for the tribal members.  Admittedly, not all people are suited for such careers, but if you can succeed with some of your people it is a positive accomplishment.  Hopefully the people who gain these skills can someday use them to establish successful businesses which are not dependent on gambling.  Hopefully your young people can be encouraged to pursue a college education which will enable greater successes on their part as they work in the casinos, any other businesses you establish or when they seek gainful employment outside of the Native American community.
 
                If you can talk your brothers into employing your new Ism in their businesses and they find it beneficial, studies can be performed which will demonstrate to others positive reasons for adopting your new Ism.  Such studies will be needed in order to convince the vast majority of people that you have a better idea.
 
                Sincerely,
 
                Frank
 
From: m@sumpeople.org [mailto:m@sumpeople.org]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 10:28 PM
To: Frank Way
Subject: 1/10/2011 Reply to Frank Way
 
Thank you for your thoughtful correspondence.

The part of A New Ism for which I look for inspiration in Native Culture is pre-colombian, within a generation of contact, and that which has survived the cultural genocide of the europeans.  I agree there are a lot of lost generations that cannot be helped.  There are young people, however, hungry for a way out of that cycle of dependence and decline, that could greatly benefit from your scientific background. 

But this current sad state of affairs can be laid at the feet of the capitalist Railroad Barons and their promotion of the Dawes Act which destroyed native people's ability to manage resources as a people and forced them live as individuals.  This is the Act that destroyed the ancient successful ways of mutual survival of my Aniyunwiya (Cherokee) ancestors.  Also, the systematic effort to make all Native People "equal" to diminish the blistering effectiveness of the Great Chiefs who were causing the Railroad, Gold, Cattle, and Agricultural Capitalists such problems. 

The land that my people were "given" in the Dawes Act was quickly swindled away after the discovery of oil on it and systemic alcoholism and despair drove my grandfather to LA to build Liberty Ships during WWII and to pass for white.  He later ended up owning his own highly successful 76 Station at the Angeles Crest Highway in La Canada/Flintridge (until Union Oil took it away from him) and rode in the same hunt club as Ronald Reagan and the elite of Hollywood society -- thus, the "Indian" story is more complex than just that of the human refuse that were not able to manage to leave the unfertile ghettos that remained after the best had been taken away.  But, in spite of all that, A New Ism cannot be about reparations for the past, it can only be expressed in the spirit of my Grandfather Jack Rogers who overcame his circumstances thru hard work and perseverance.

I think that the great native leaders of old would argue that our Old Ism (capitalism -- which ironically is actually the newer Ism) is a new way of surviving what is threatening to destroy our planet, our political systems, and our humanity.  I look to the Great Peacemaker of the Iroquois, who's wisdom is all over our constitutional form of government, the great Leaders of the Nez Perce who's decentralized social structure humiliated General Howard's hierarchical one, Geronimo (to whom my Great Grandmother served breakfast in a diner in Texoma on his railroad ride to exile) who showed the decimating power of decentralized leadership inspired by moral authority, and Ishi, the last of the Yahi of California, (who my maternal Grandmother saw in San Francisco as a young girl) who cautioned Professor Kroeber to be careful of denigrating the technology of lighters and matches until he have been in the wet woods, freezing, with no way to make fire.

I hope to convince you that A New Ism based on teachings of these Great Leaders is deeply compatible with science and technology and may in fact better inform us as to which technologies we should pursue in order to insure our prosperous survival, and will not, as in the capitalist model, simply pursue technologies regardless of their impact on real people, real living creatures, real pure water, and real clean air.

Michael

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: 1/5/2011 Letter
From: "Frank Way" <frankpway@comcast.net>
Date: Mon, January 10, 2011 9:40 pm
To: <m@sumpeople.org>
Cc: <datohmu@sumpeople.org>
Michael:
 
                I grew up with Native Americans.  I only knew one who was interested in science and engineering.  He was a fellow student on a full ride scholarship from Harold's Club in Reno, as was I.  Unfortunately he let alcohol get the best of him in his senior year and he did not graduate.  I had expected to see quite a few Shoshone people this weekend when my sons and I went to Beatty and Death Valley.  Surprisingly enough I only recognized Paiutes where we traveled. I think the Shoshone had gone on down to Tecopah to spend the winter.  I am not sure if you are aware of it, but any time you see the three letter combination "pah" in a name, it means water.  Thus Tonopah means brush water.  There are other places such as Pahrump, Ivanpah, Weepah, Pahranagat and so on forth.  In any case, the reason I bring this up is my knowledge of the Native Americans and the times I have spent with them leads me to wonder if their Isms will actually provide us with such a better approach to the scientific world we live in.  My best friend in high school was the Native American son of our sheriff in Beatty.  We were playing with a model T coil and some vacuum tubes from the high school film projector when we managed to get blue arcs to form in the vacuum tubes.  After doing that I thought that it would be very interesting to be an electrical engineer and deal with things which people could not see and understand.
 
                My friend's father was one day alerted by long distance phone that two men had stolen a plane in Los Angeles, flown it to Tonopah, where they stole a car and headed south.  Gilbert Landis [my friend's father] enlisted the help of several local men in the community including one old codger who was a crack shot.  They chased the vehicle through our town while the old codger shot out the tires on the vehicle they were pursuing.  A tourist's wife remarked to him that it was a very realistic movie they were shooting.  The end result was Gilbert having his picture on the cover of Life Magazine as he was standing on the wing of the stolen plane.  We later christened him Gunsmoke and painted a section of the curb at the Exchange Club red for him.  There were white letters on the red curb which informed people that the space was reserved for Gunsmoke.
 
                My wife and I provided a place in our home for a Navaho woman and her three children to stay for three weeks while she endeavored to get a job in Chico and go back to school there.  Her father was Keys who was a good friend of Peter McDonald.  My wife was even a member of the Native American Basket Weavers Association while she went to California State University at Chico.  My wife has some Cherokee blood.
 
                I think that our Political leaders could benefit from some of the new Ism thinking, but I don't see the new Ism as being any great benefit to the Scientific and Engineering community.  The Jews, Germans and non Native American US citizens seem to have an edge in those areas.  Somehow we need to come up with a strategy for the Native Americans to successfully deal with their genetically based inability to deal with Alcoholism.  The Northern Europeans have coexisted with Alcohol for millenniums and some of us have the ability to reject such addiction.  Unfortunately the Native Americans are not blessed with such an ability.  When I lived in Beatty, Gunsmoke would carefully step over the people who were passed out on the sidewalks after having had too much alcohol.  It was much easier to do that than to haul them 96 miles to Tonopah and put them in jail.
 
                Thank you for your correspondence.  I shall try to support your efforts in the future.
 
                Frank
 
From: m@sumpeople.org [mailto:m@sumpeople.org]
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 11:58 AM
To: Frank Way
Cc: datohmu@sumpeople.org
Subject: RE: 1/5/2011 Letter
 
A New Ism has to celebrate the organizational expertise of such organizations.  It is about identifying great leaders, then giving them the resources and autonomy to met clearly articulated goals.  It is also about the individual excellence that a resume like yours typifies.  Most progressive economic initiatives tend to celebrate the collective over individual effort and the division of labor that complex collaboration requires.

Again, I look to the American Revolution for inspiration.  In the book "The Genius of America" the authors make the case that the success of the American Experiment, verses so many other failed efforts to improve government, was that it was lead by people who loved government.  Whereas, the people who lead almost every other revolution in the history of the world hated government and saw it as, at best, a necessary evil.  A New Ism, to be practical and successful, needs to come from a love of a well run, efficient incorporation of the diverse talents of skilled and masterful individuals.  That is the "gold standard" for economic success.  What we suggest is that by adding the layer of structural, institutional support of leaders who are the advocates and champions of their people (which I would suggest the leaders in your best organizations were) that those great leaders will be free to take their teams even further -- rather than always having to fight upper management who tend to believe that people are widgets that can be used hard, not maintained, and easily replaced when broken.

A New Ism will most likely not start with building rocket engines, as almost no new company could either.  Those companies have hundreds of years of experience.  But businesses like banking and insurance that would greatly benefit from better customer service, more community mindedness, and a more committed workforce (with the hiring of good experienced individuals in all work areas) are more practical first efforts.  Industries like software that are more highly dependent on the skills of its workers (over the machinery, multi-departmental processes, and the political connections needed in the industries you reference) could be very attractive options.  Music, Film, and Television are industries where highly politically and socially activated workers (mostly Democrats) are the "factories" -- one Matt Damon or Brad Pitt could green light a film project based on their involvement alone.  Also, promising startups, where the founders are looking at giving up control to venture capitalists in order to move their ideas forward, would be extremely open to a proposal from A New Ism venture fund, where the ideals are building an interdependent team and keeping skilled leadership in place.  Startup founders may not be open to accountable leadership, and the possibility of getting fired if they no longer are the best person for the job, however they face this with typical venture capital anyway and may find a more open democratic process more appealing than the caprice of one or two economic monarchs making the decision (for democratic processes have a higher probability of being lead by logic and truth rather than by whim, prejudice, or inflated self egos).

It is exactly masterful individuals like yourself that will be key to the success of A New Ism.  And, it is exactly this quality that is missing from Socialism and Communism.  Looking to the indigenous model, it was the Chiefs and Skilled Warriors and the Expert Women who lead the tribe -- not the brash young neophyte with little or no experience.  And yet, they did have a part to play in a Headman, Headwoman or Elder Council's strategy, but they rarely were allow to participate in the deliberations that produced that strategy.

Michael


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: 1/5/2011 Letter
From: "Frank Way" <frankpway@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, January 05, 2011 5:05 pm
To: <m@sumpeople.org>
Michael:
 
                I asked these questions, because I have worked for some world class employers, such as the Rocketdyne and Autonetics divisions of North American Aviation, the TDK systems division of TDK Japan, the Grass Valley Group division of Tektronix and Nevada Bell Telephone, division of AT&T.  I can tell you that they are continually changing and evolving in order  to stay at the head of the pack.  When working for North American Aviation, I tested the Gemini space craft engines and the Lunar Descent Module rocket engine.  While I worked for TDK, they sent me to Finland to deal with Nokia and to Cannes France to deal with a division of Rockwell.  While working for the Grass Valley Group, NASA solicited us to provide 10 million dollars worth of video switching systems for the Kennedy Space Center (which I proposed and delivered), after which we furnished large systems to Oak Ridge and Savannah river.  When I worked for Nevada Bell Telephone, we provided the communications to Area 51 for  the testing of the Blackbird.  The Grass Valley Group designed and manufactured  the world's best video switching systems and Tektronix designed and manufactured the world's best oscilloscopes.
 
                If your new ISM is going to compete with firms like the ones I worked for, you have a very rough road ahead of you.  The best way to break into this game is to invent and or design something new, which the world wants and needs.  Doing so requires attracting and hiring some very intelligent and high priced talent.  I have a BS in Physics, a BSEE and all the course credits for a PhD in Electrical Engineering.  I am also a Registered Professional Engineer.  NASA required me to submit my resume before they would negotiate with us for the systems which were provided.
 
                Frank
 
From: m@sumpeople.org [mailto:m@sumpeople.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:36 AM
To: Frank Way
Subject: 1/5/2011 Letter
 
Dear Frank,

Thank you for spending your time listening to us last night.  Art George is his name (or Mountain Eagle that Soars over the Valleys). 

I guess my quick answer to your question is "Better".  More efficiently, more effectively, cheaper, with less environmental impacts, and with more autonomy giving to skilled engineers and key experts who are able to coordinate their areas with all other areas of these complex enterprises successfully.

In fact, when these types of operations are best is when they express the key principles of this New Ism that we are researching and trying to articulate.  There was a recent story of a mortality rate comparison between well managed hospitals and poorly managed ones. 

http://worldmanagementsurvey.org/wp-content/images/2010/10/Management_in_Healthcare_Report_2010.pdf  

These researchers discovered key factors to good management. 
  1. Skilled knowledgeable managers (this was the element of mastery in leadership we mentioned last night).
  2. Broad autonomy given to these key managers (this is the element of decentralized but coordinated systems that we mentioned last night).
  3. Competition (Again, decentralized, market driven systems are what are imagined within an effective New Ism).
  4. Bigger is better (We did not touch on this last night, but the thought is that small enterprises are probably best as authoritarian, centralized (capitalistic) enterprises as the small business owners of these enterprises put in far more effort and energy into the enterprises than typical employees, and not only deserve the bulk of the benefits of enterprise, but also should have the decision making control to give the enterprise the best chance of survival in difficult times.  A New Ism will need to be focused on the structure of big business in my opinion and theory suggests that it will make those enterprises more nimble, more efficient, and better managed.  
  5. Their final finding was that private hospitals were better managed than public.  I have several questions about this finding such as "Who paid for the study?", and "Did the private hospitals have more money to work with per patient?"  But the work of Elinor Ostrom suggests that with proper "design parameters" that the third way of "common pool resource management" offers even better outcomes that either public or private, so the fact that private is better managed than public does not mean that private is de facto the best option.
Underlying your questions is another bigger question which is "can people self manage themselves better than authoritarian management can manage them?"  This same question was at the heart of the American Revolution.  The Tories and Loyalists of the time argued that the "rabble" could never govern a nation and that the firm hand of the monarch was needed to maintain order.  We now know that the argument was false in the case of government.  In fact, no large industrialized nation can be managed as a monarchy because of the structural design limitations of authoritarian government -- just as you cannot build a skyscraper with wood frame construction.  It turns out that non-authoritarian, collaborative organizational structures are the only ones capable of the complex, epic projects that you suggest.  In fact, the space program, and large construction projects, exemplify the very principals that we are trying to identify in a New Ism.

Michael
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Your new Ism
From: "Frank Way" <frankpway@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, January 05, 2011 9:24 am
To: <m@sumpeople.org>
Michael:
 
                I enjoyed listening to you and Art last night.  By the way, what is Art's last name, and his email address?
 
                After thinking about what you are proposing, I must ask  you several questions.
 
                How would your new Ism have put the first man on the moon?
 
                How would it have designed  and produced the latest Boeing passenger Jet?
 
                How would it have designed and built one of the newest cruise ships?
 
                How would it compete with major corporations in the world markets?
 
 
                Please forward this to Art.
 
                Frank Way

Monday, January 10, 2011

1/10/2011 Reply to Frank Way

Thank you for your thoughtful correspondence.

The part of A New Ism for which I look for inspiration in Native Culture is pre-colombian, within a generation of contact, and that which has survived the cultural genocide of the europeans.  I agree there are a lot of lost generations that cannot be helped.  There are young people, however, hungry for a way out of that cycle of dependence and decline, that could greatly benefit from your scientific background. 

But this current sad state of affairs can be laid at the feet of the capitalist Railroad Barons and their promotion of the Dawes Act which destroyed native people's ability to manage resources as a people and forced them live as individuals.  This is the Act that destroyed the ancient successful ways of mutual survival of my Aniyunwiya (Cherokee) ancestors.  Also, the systematic effort to make all Native People "equal" to diminish the blistering effectiveness of the Great Chiefs who were causing the Railroad, Gold, Cattle, and Agricultural Capitalists such problems. 

The land that my people were "given" in the Dawes Act was quickly swindled away after the discovery of oil on it and systemic alcoholism and despair drove my grandfather to LA to build Liberty Ships during WWII and to pass for white.  He later ended up owning his own highly successful 76 Station at the Angeles Crest Highway in La Canada/Flintridge (until Union Oil took it away from him) and rode in the same hunt club as Ronald Reagan and the elite of Hollywood society -- thus, the "Indian" story is more complex than just that of the human refuse that were not able to manage to leave the unfertile ghettos that remained after the best had been taken away.  But, in spite of all that, A New Ism cannot be about reparations for the past, it can only be expressed in the spirit of my Grandfather Jack Rogers who overcame his circumstances thru hard work and perseverance.

I think that the great native leaders of old would argue that our Old Ism (capitalism -- which ironically is actually the newer Ism) is a new way of surviving what is threatening to destroy our planet, our political systems, and our humanity.  I look to the Great Peacemaker of the Iroquois, who's wisdom is all over our constitutional form of government, the great Leaders of the Nez Perce who's decentralized social structure humiliated General Howard's hierarchical one, Geronimo (to whom my Great Grandmother served breakfast in a diner in Texoma on his railroad ride to exile) who showed the decimating power of decentralized leadership inspired by moral authority, and Ishi, the last of the Yahi of California, (who my maternal Grandmother saw in San Francisco as a young girl) who cautioned Professor Kroeber to be careful of denigrating the technology of lighters and matches until he have been in the wet woods, freezing, with no way to make fire.

I hope to convince you that A New Ism based on teachings of these Great Leaders is deeply compatible with science and technology and may in fact better inform us as to which technologies we should pursue in order to insure our prosperous survival, and will not, as in the capitalist model, simply pursue technologies regardless of their impact on real people, real living creatures, real pure water, and real clean air.

Michael


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: 1/5/2011 Letter
From: "Frank Way" <frankpway@comcast.net>
Date: Mon, January 10, 2011 9:40 pm
To: <m@sumpeople.org>
Cc: <datohmu@sumpeople.org>

Michael:
 
                I grew up with Native Americans.  I only knew one who was interested in science and engineering.  He was a fellow student on a full ride scholarship from Harold's Club in Reno, as was I.  Unfortunately he let alcohol get the best of him in his senior year and he did not graduate.  I had expected to see quite a few Shoshone people this weekend when my sons and I went to Beatty and Death Valley.  Surprisingly enough I only recognized Paiutes where we traveled. I think the Shoshone had gone on down to Tecopah to spend the winter.  I am not sure if you are aware of it, but any time you see the three letter combination "pah" in a name, it means water.  Thus Tonopah means brush water.  There are other places such as Pahrump, Ivanpah, Weepah, Pahranagat and so on forth.  In any case, the reason I bring this up is my knowledge of the Native Americans and the times I have spent with them leads me to wonder if their Isms will actually provide us with such a better approach to the scientific world we live in.  My best friend in high school was the Native American son of our sheriff in Beatty.  We were playing with a model T coil and some vacuum tubes from the high school film projector when we managed to get blue arcs to form in the vacuum tubes.  After doing that I thought that it would be very interesting to be an electrical engineer and deal with things which people could not see and understand.
 
                My friend's father was one day alerted by long distance phone that two men had stolen a plane in Los Angeles, flown it to Tonopah, where they stole a car and headed south.  Gilbert Landis [my friend's father] enlisted the help of several local men in the community including one old codger who was a crack shot.  They chased the vehicle through our town while the old codger shot out the tires on the vehicle they were pursuing.  A tourist's wife remarked to him that it was a very realistic movie they were shooting.  The end result was Gilbert having his picture on the cover of Life Magazine as he was standing on the wing of the stolen plane.  We later christened him Gunsmoke and painted a section of the curb at the Exchange Club red for him.  There were white letters on the red curb which informed people that the space was reserved for Gunsmoke.
 
                My wife and I provided a place in our home for a Navaho woman and her three children to stay for three weeks while she endeavored to get a job in Chico and go back to school there.  Her father was Keys who was a good friend of Peter McDonald.  My wife was even a member of the Native American Basket Weavers Association while she went to California State University at Chico.  My wife has some Cherokee blood.
 
                I think that our Political leaders could benefit from some of the new Ism thinking, but I don't see the new Ism as being any great benefit to the Scientific and Engineering community.  The Jews, Germans and non Native American US citizens seem to have an edge in those areas.  Somehow we need to come up with a strategy for the Native Americans to successfully deal with their genetically based inability to deal with Alcoholism.  The Northern Europeans have coexisted with Alcohol for millenniums and some of us have the ability to reject such addiction.  Unfortunately the Native Americans are not blessed with such an ability.  When I lived in Beatty, Gunsmoke would carefully step over the people who were passed out on the sidewalks after having had too much alcohol.  It was much easier to do that than to haul them 96 miles to Tonopah and put them in jail.
 
                Thank you for your correspondence.  I shall try to support your efforts in the future.
 
                Frank
 
From: m@sumpeople.org [mailto:m@sumpeople.org]
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 11:58 AM
To: Frank Way
Cc: datohmu@sumpeople.org
Subject: RE: 1/5/2011 Letter
 
A New Ism has to celebrate the organizational expertise of such organizations.  It is about identifying great leaders, then giving them the resources and autonomy to met clearly articulated goals.  It is also about the individual excellence that a resume like yours typifies.  Most progressive economic initiatives tend to celebrate the collective over individual effort and the division of labor that complex collaboration requires.

Again, I look to the American Revolution for inspiration.  In the book "The Genius of America" the authors make the case that the success of the American Experiment, verses so many other failed efforts to improve government, was that it was lead by people who loved government.  Whereas, the people who lead almost every other revolution in the history of the world hated government and saw it as, at best, a necessary evil.  A New Ism, to be practical and successful, needs to come from a love of a well run, efficient incorporation of the diverse talents of skilled and masterful individuals.  That is the "gold standard" for economic success.  What we suggest is that by adding the layer of structural, institutional support of leaders who are the advocates and champions of their people (which I would suggest the leaders in your best organizations were) that those great leaders will be free to take their teams even further -- rather than always having to fight upper management who tend to believe that people are widgets that can be used hard, not maintained, and easily replaced when broken.

A New Ism will most likely not start with building rocket engines, as almost no new company could either.  Those companies have hundreds of years of experience.  But businesses like banking and insurance that would greatly benefit from better customer service, more community mindedness, and a more committed workforce (with the hiring of good experienced individuals in all work areas) are more practical first efforts.  Industries like software that are more highly dependent on the skills of its workers (over the machinery, multi-departmental processes, and the political connections needed in the industries you reference) could be very attractive options.  Music, Film, and Television are industries where highly politically and socially activated workers (mostly Democrats) are the "factories" -- one Matt Damon or Brad Pitt could green light a film project based on their involvement alone.  Also, promising startups, where the founders are looking at giving up control to venture capitalists in order to move their ideas forward, would be extremely open to a proposal from A New Ism venture fund, where the ideals are building an interdependent team and keeping skilled leadership in place.  Startup founders may not be open to accountable leadership, and the possibility of getting fired if they no longer are the best person for the job, however they face this with typical venture capital anyway and may find a more open democratic process more appealing than the caprice of one or two economic monarchs making the decision (for democratic processes have a higher probability of being lead by logic and truth rather than by whim, prejudice, or inflated self egos).

It is exactly masterful individuals like yourself that will be key to the success of A New Ism.  And, it is exactly this quality that is missing from Socialism and Communism.  Looking to the indigenous model, it was the Chiefs and Skilled Warriors and the Expert Women who lead the tribe -- not the brash young neophyte with little or no experience.  And yet, they did have a part to play in a Headman, Headwoman or Elder Council's strategy, but they rarely were allow to participate in the deliberations that produced that strategy.

Michael

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: 1/5/2011 Letter
From: "Frank Way" <frankpway@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, January 05, 2011 5:05 pm
To: <m@sumpeople.org>
Michael:
 
                I asked these questions, because I have worked for some world class employers, such as the Rocketdyne and Autonetics divisions of North American Aviation, the TDK systems division of TDK Japan, the Grass Valley Group division of Tektronix and Nevada Bell Telephone, division of AT&T.  I can tell you that they are continually changing and evolving in order  to stay at the head of the pack.  When working for North American Aviation, I tested the Gemini space craft engines and the Lunar Descent Module rocket engine.  While I worked for TDK, they sent me to Finland to deal with Nokia and to Cannes France to deal with a division of Rockwell.  While working for the Grass Valley Group, NASA solicited us to provide 10 million dollars worth of video switching systems for the Kennedy Space Center (which I proposed and delivered), after which we furnished large systems to Oak Ridge and Savannah river.  When I worked for Nevada Bell Telephone, we provided the communications to Area 51 for  the testing of the Blackbird.  The Grass Valley Group designed and manufactured  the world's best video switching systems and Tektronix designed and manufactured the world's best oscilloscopes.
 
                If your new ISM is going to compete with firms like the ones I worked for, you have a very rough road ahead of you.  The best way to break into this game is to invent and or design something new, which the world wants and needs.  Doing so requires attracting and hiring some very intelligent and high priced talent.  I have a BS in Physics, a BSEE and all the course credits for a PhD in Electrical Engineering.  I am also a Registered Professional Engineer.  NASA required me to submit my resume before they would negotiate with us for the systems which were provided.
 
                Frank
 
From: m@sumpeople.org [mailto:m@sumpeople.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:36 AM
To: Frank Way
Subject: 1/5/2011 Letter
 
Dear Frank,

Thank you for spending your time listening to us last night.  Art George is his name (or Mountain Eagle that Soars over the Valleys). 

I guess my quick answer to your question is "Better".  More efficiently, more effectively, cheaper, with less environmental impacts, and with more autonomy giving to skilled engineers and key experts who are able to coordinate their areas with all other areas of these complex enterprises successfully.

In fact, when these types of operations are best is when they express the key principles of this New Ism that we are researching and trying to articulate.  There was a recent story of a mortality rate comparison between well managed hospitals and poorly managed ones. 

http://worldmanagementsurvey.org/wp-content/images/2010/10/Management_in_Healthcare_Report_2010.pdf  

These researchers discovered key factors to good management. 
  1. Skilled knowledgeable managers (this was the element of mastery in leadership we mentioned last night).
  2. Broad autonomy given to these key managers (this is the element of decentralized but coordinated systems that we mentioned last night).
  3. Competition (Again, decentralized, market driven systems are what are imagined within an effective New Ism).
  4. Bigger is better (We did not touch on this last night, but the thought is that small enterprises are probably best as authoritarian, centralized (capitalistic) enterprises as the small business owners of these enterprises put in far more effort and energy into the enterprises than typical employees, and not only deserve the bulk of the benefits of enterprise, but also should have the decision making control to give the enterprise the best chance of survival in difficult times.  A New Ism will need to be focused on the structure of big business in my opinion and theory suggests that it will make those enterprises more nimble, more efficient, and better managed.  
  5. Their final finding was that private hospitals were better managed than public.  I have several questions about this finding such as "Who paid for the study?", and "Did the private hospitals have more money to work with per patient?"  But the work of Elinor Ostrom suggests that with proper "design parameters" that the third way of "common pool resource management" offers even better outcomes that either public or private, so the fact that private is better managed than public does not mean that private is de facto the best option.
Underlying your questions is another bigger question which is "can people self manage themselves better than authoritarian management can manage them?"  This same question was at the heart of the American Revolution.  The Tories and Loyalists of the time argued that the "rabble" could never govern a nation and that the firm hand of the monarch was needed to maintain order.  We now know that the argument was false in the case of government.  In fact, no large industrialized nation can be managed as a monarchy because of the structural design limitations of authoritarian government -- just as you cannot build a skyscraper with wood frame construction.  It turns out that non-authoritarian, collaborative organizational structures are the only ones capable of the complex, epic projects that you suggest.  In fact, the space program, and large construction projects, exemplify the very principals that we are trying to identify in a New Ism.

Michael
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Subject: Your new Ism
From: "Frank Way" <frankpway@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, January 05, 2011 9:24 am
To: <m@sumpeople.org>
Michael:
 
                I enjoyed listening to you and Art last night.  By the way, what is Art's last name, and his email address?
 
                After thinking about what you are proposing, I must ask  you several questions.
 
                How would your new Ism have put the first man on the moon?
 
                How would it have designed  and produced the latest Boeing passenger Jet?
 
                How would it have designed and built one of the newest cruise ships?
 
                How would it compete with major corporations in the world markets?
 
 
                Please forward this to Art.
 
                Frank Way